I found them at my local sk8shop on sale. I loooved these shoes... at first they were feeling a bit small and the heel "cup" of the insole was narrow but them I took it out and "bent" it out and then it was all good. And when they were broken in they just turned into the best feeling skate shoe I could imagine. Since I don't skate very hard they lasted me a year and now smell like a dead rotten corpse.. But I may well buy another pair of these next year!